Drawing is a quick and graceful way to visualise your scenarios. When discussing complexity in our system, techniques which bring a voice to each stakeholder and break down user stories should be cherished.

We first heard about these ideas at Ulrika Malmgren's talk at CukeUp! London last year. We chatted with Ulrika about drawing and other techniques to bring teams closer together.

Ulrika also tells us about her upcoming CukeUp! London talk, "Why Testers can be a Liability" happening next month. A talk with a contentious title is always a bonus. More information about CukeUp! can be found on the website.

On the podcast:

Ulrika Malmgren
Matt Wynne
Aslak Hellesøy

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